Major Quake A magnitude 8.8 earthquake hit around 3pm on Friday, epicenter a few hundred kilometers north of Tokyo. Very rough, long rolling shaking of the sort I have never experienced before. Very scary. The coastal areas are being socked by tsunami but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of casualties in Tokyo (fingers crossed.) http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,228858#msg-228858 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:25:01 -0400 Phorum 5.2.18 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,242610#msg-242610 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,242610#msg-242610
[www.cnngo.com]]]> MattAlt The OT Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:30:28 -0500 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,230168#msg-230168 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,230168#msg-230168 -------------------------------------------------------
> Possibly the best description yet of why we should
> not all be reaching for the RadAway just yet:
>
> [morgsatlarge.wordpress.com]
> -am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

I realize that this was a month ago, but I thought this was interesting:

[www.salon.com]]]> Roger The OT Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:07:12 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229870#msg-229870 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229870#msg-229870 Roger The OT Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:53:42 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229629#msg-229629 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229629#msg-229629 [robotpilipinas.blogspot.com]

edit: original source listed as "Inquirer" so, uh..oh well. Still a cool pic.]]> repairtechjon The OT Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:41:19 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229504#msg-229504 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229504#msg-229504 josh fraser The OT Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:11:11 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229503#msg-229503 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229503#msg-229503
Here's an animated map showing the shaking:

[www.japanquakemap.com]]]> MattAlt The OT Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:49:54 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229500#msg-229500 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229500#msg-229500 josh fraser The OT Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:12:59 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229438#msg-229438 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229438#msg-229438
jdfemgyad.jpg


I'm going to try to nab one myself.
]]> fujikuro The OT Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:02:54 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229410#msg-229410 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229410#msg-229410 www.animenewsnetwork.com]

Awwwww.]]> Vincent Z. The OT Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:17:33 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229369#msg-229369 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229369#msg-229369
[www.age-soft.jp]]]> Anonymous User The OT Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:14:48 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229365#msg-229365 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229365#msg-229365
[badassoftheweek.com]]]> Mike Parisi The OT Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:04:12 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229353#msg-229353 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229353#msg-229353
[www.shelterbox.org]]]> Roger The OT Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:04:20 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229326#msg-229326 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229326#msg-229326
[www.boingboing.net]]]> fel9 The OT Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:13:02 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229181#msg-229181 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229181#msg-229181 Jessy The OT Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:39:58 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229172#msg-229172 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229172#msg-229172 thomas The OT Sat, 19 Mar 2011 04:34:01 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229164#msg-229164 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229164#msg-229164 josh fraser The OT Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:17:30 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229158#msg-229158 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229158#msg-229158 Vincent Z. The OT Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:23:16 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229154#msg-229154 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229154#msg-229154 -------------------------------------------------------

> People ought to know that dihydrogen monoxide is a
> very dangerous chemical

Bullshit is one of my favourite shows.
Their tap water/bottles water ep is classic.]]> RainBot The OT Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:09:51 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229153#msg-229153 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229153#msg-229153 -------------------------------------------------------
> Seriously though, we got a one line message on the
> news feed, and it's getting around our local media
> that the Pickering Power Plant had a leak of
> demineralized water into Lake Ontario! But don't
> worry... it's negligible...
> I love spin.

People ought to know that dihydrogen monoxide is a very dangerous chemical that unfortunatedly occurs in great quantities in the natural environment! Government action is obviously required against this great danger!

73,000 liters in a body of water 1,640 cubic kilometers of water (1,640,000,000,000,000 liters) is negligible, and likely below what occurs naturally therein (not to mention other polutants).

This made me think of another horror-scenario: people are buying up bottled water, but let's hope they won't start buying up demineralized water once the bottled water is finished. Demineralized water is not fit for human consumption due to the lack of minerals. It will screw up your osmotic balance and be worth a trip to hospital (or worse). On the other hand, 'too dumb to live' would be at play...]]> thomas The OT Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:33:52 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229152#msg-229152 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229152#msg-229152 repairtechjon The OT Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:50:33 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229143#msg-229143 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229143#msg-229143 -------------------------------------------------------
> So... you're saying the often browner populations
> are polluting the cities? You racist. ;)

LOL...you get that anthrax I sent you in the mail yet, punk???


KWESI, NOOOOOO!!!


Incidentally, on the way home from work today, I heard a little of Katie Couric's CBS Evening News show. They had someone on, no lie, saying that TWO Fukushima reactors' RPVs had been breached. I almost crashed my fucking car.

It's fascinating to me...

You could argue that I'm fairly socially liberal (though I'd likely beat your ass). What some humans call "Fox News" drives me up a fucking wall with their insidious conservative indoctrination. Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh are two piles of human filth I'd take rapturous joy in pushing, directly by hand, into a giant meat grinder.

But as soon as nuke comes up, the script gets completely flipped. I have absolutely no love for CNN to begin with, but they and other liberal news outlets turn into rabid vermin whenever this fucking topic arises. Why? 'Cause conservatives are traditionally pro-nuke. George W can suck a dick with AIDS...but he actually pushed pretty hard for new nuclear plants in the US. And that's despite his obvious oil ties. [Well...that doesn't mean he did JACK SHIT for fusion research...]

They can all burn in hell, but I just thought that lil tidbit was worth ranting about...]]> Sanjeev The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:52:19 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229137#msg-229137 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229137#msg-229137 -------------------------------------------------------
> Giant...green...slice of life cartoon?
>
> The horror...the horror...

UGUUUU...HIKARI SMASH!!!! After a bath and some milk tea with a parfait from the cafe, of course....]]> Kwesi K. The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:05:38 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229131#msg-229131 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229131#msg-229131 >Inner cities, on the other hand, are subjected to vast amounts of particulate pollution (as has been stated before) from fossil fuel burning...and their populations have statistically shown higher incidences of a variety of health problems from asthma to cancer. Their...often browner...populations. Funny how that works.

So... you're saying the often browner populations are polluting the cities? You racist. ;)


Seriously though, we got a one line message on the news feed, and it's getting around our local media that the Pickering Power Plant had a leak of demineralized water into Lake Ontario! But don't worry... it's negligible...
I love spin.]]> RainBot The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:24:05 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229119#msg-229119 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229119#msg-229119 -------------------------------------------------------
> Giant...green...slice of life cartoon?


A colleague does research on the social/economic effects of disasters. He mentioned that despite the horrific loss of life and property, disasters are usually beneficial to society in terms of economic growth via redevelopment. He suggested that this might actually pull Japan out of its economic doldrums once the event has concluded.

He did not mention anything about the long term effects of populating a city with gamma irradiated beings preoccupied with the daily life of ditsy teenage girls. I'm should check in on that with him...]]> Gcrush The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:04:04 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229118#msg-229118 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229118#msg-229118
The horror...the horror...]]> Sanjeev The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:37:31 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229116#msg-229116 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229116#msg-229116
I'm guessing one hundred times the average moe would make VZ's head explode.]]> gingaio The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:24:31 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229114#msg-229114 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229114#msg-229114
Quote
Sanjeev
Now, what if an entire population of 1M were exposed to one hundred times the absorbed dose as the average moe...but for only ten minutes? Again, I have no numbers, but this is the sort of shit we studied. I'm guessing they'd be fine.


Uh...Sanjeev?


]]> mcfitch The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:46:35 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229111#msg-229111 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229111#msg-229111
I expect the Japanese will embrace and apply what is learned for a productive, useful future for nuclear power, rather than run in terror from the issues like other cultures may be inclined to.

Science: Failure = useful.
Politics: Failure = doom.]]> Anonymous User The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:53:44 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229110#msg-229110 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229110#msg-229110
[ukinjapan.fco.gov.uk]

Was a bit surprised to find that batteries, instant noodles and bottled water sold out at the local supermarket (in Kansai) tonight....]]> Jessy The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:48:20 -0400 http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229107#msg-229107 Re: Major Quake http://toyboxdx.com/phorum/read.php?5,228858,229107#msg-229107 within the industry. But then again, there's no "meltdown" either--just fuel-damaging events. The term "meltdown" is a product of a moron physicist...and Hollywood.

But to answer your question, while most plants in Japan are 3 on your scale, it's my understanding that the Fukushima units are 2...right on the level of the US's pieces of crap. Not to shit on BWRs, but they're based on really old, simple, efficient principles. Not particularly sophisticated. Boil the water, spin the turbine, condense the steam, start it all over again. The whole cycle is hot (contaminated), but it gets the job done. Sure, there are next gen BWRs, but it's all the same concept...just smaller/modular, more efficient, and safer/simpler/cheaper.


Kwesi K. Wrote:
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> Sanjeev, I've been accused of implying that ionic
> radiation is not that dangerous by way of the NY
> Times article.
>
> Please school me on where the hell I clearly went
> wrong. Seriously, I need to know what the
> differences are just for my own knowledge.


You didn't go wrong. The article you posted was 100% correct. It was likely misinterpreted by folks with preconceived notions, to whom logic wouldn't appeal anyway.

Here's the deal. In order to chill giant blue robots the fuck out, all the nuclear industries of the world agreed not to increase ambient radiation levels in the environment AT ALL. That way, no one can bitch, right? [Meanwhile, no such agreement exists for, say, coal-burning plants. And as a result, the tons and tons of dirty soot they release into the atmosphere contains faint radioactive particles from shit mined up from the Earth's crust. It's not dangerous radiation, but it FAR outweighs what *any* nuclear reactors put out. And that shit goes unchecked. Irony.] Anyway, the nuclear industries have been good at doing what they agreed to do. Of course, everyone's eyes are always on these plants...so they can't get away with a motherfucking thing...

But the reality is that they could increase ambient radiation levels in surrounding populated areas. And it wouldn't affect life at all. It's all health physics (the study of radiation transport and its biological effects), and it's all statistical analysis. Smoking butts increases your chance of getting lung cancer. A lot. But there are lifetime smokers who live to be 100, cancer free. Epidemiology is all about the numbers. I work with computers, so I'm subjected to more ionizing radiation just from my fucking monitor all day than the vast majority of the human race. But a lot of other people are, too. Statistics have shown that chumps like me don't have any increased risk of getting cancer from it...so it's cool. Same thing with people living near above-ground power lines, paint shops, and a bunch of other shit.

Inner cities, on the other hand, are subjected to vast amounts of particulate pollution (as has been stated before) from fossil fuel burning...and their populations have statistically shown higher incidences of a variety of health problems from asthma to cancer. Their...often browner...populations. Funny how that works.

So suffice it to say, it's all about numbers. We've learned terrible worst-case-scenario lessons from the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the fallout of Chernobyl: life can withstand a hell of a lot of ionizing radiation without becoming more prone to getting sick. It's just that in these cases, too many people got way more than "a hell of a lot"...and paid the ultimate price for it. But what if an entire population of, say, one million people were exposed to twice the amount of absorbed ionizing radiation as the rest of us get, throughout their whole lives? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I don't think there would be any increased number of incidences of cancer in that population over a control group the same size. Now, what if an entire population of 1M were exposed to one hundred times the absorbed dose as the average moe...but for only ten minutes? Again, I have no numbers, but this is the sort of shit we studied. I'm guessing they'd be fine.

But the point is that there IS a refined science to this shit. There are analytical solutions to describe radiation transport. There are computational methods to simulate radiation transport computationally. There are equations for calculating dose based on photon/particle energies. There are hard epidemiological data backing all of this up with statistics on cancer contraction, etc. It's all there. We're tougher than we fear. And our fear has led to over-conservative double-standards (again, no restrictions on coal-burning plants' radioactive material emissions) on one hand, and of course, fossil fuel hoarding in the West on the other (thus robbing third world countries of ANY energy options...not to mention severely choking off fusion research).

...

Anyway, I'm surprised no one has posted this yet:
[www.youtube.com]

So much for Japan's anime industry slumping, Alt! :P]]> Sanjeev The OT Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:51:54 -0400