Golden Gate Riot: My new comic book.

Posted by Ginrai 
So I'm working on a new comic book, called Golden Gate Riot. I wrote it, my friend Jeik Dion drew it. My other friend Star St. Germain is doing letters and such.

Here's the gist of the story:

Micah is a punk. He's about to flunk out of school and he wants a revolution. In another world, another history, he is a freedom fighter or maybe a terrorist. Most of California is in the hands of La República de la Raza de Aztlan, a Soviet-backed regime determined to take the west coast from the United States, but Micah wants California for the Californians. He wants a new nation of anarchy. No hierarchies. No rulers. If he can inspire a riot in San Francisco, he just might get his wish.

Here's some previews of the French edition. We're gonna have a website up in the next couple of months and such.

















Some inspirations for the power armor design: the JIM underwater diving suit, the Lockheed Martin HULC power armor, MaK, Miyatake Starship Troopers power suit, Metroid Varia Suit.

Some inspirations for the punk rock shit: being a punk teenager in the '90s.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2012 08:30PM by Ginrai.
Neat! Reminds me of Becky Cloonan's East Coast Rising.

-Paul Segal

"Oh, the anger is never far, never far." -SteveH
Thanks for the kind words! I haven't read East Coast Rising, but I will check it out. I've read some stuff by Becky Cloonan (Strange Tales, American Virgin), but not that one.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
It's one of her totally original works, as opposed to one where she worked with a writer - it's about post-apocalyptic teenage pirates.

The mixture of "manga-realistic" character designs and contrasting sharply stylized elements in Golden Gate Riot reminds me of Cloonan's art, and that is definitely a big positive in my book.

-Paul Segal

"Oh, the anger is never far, never far." -SteveH
I really dig the artwork.

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Niiiice!
I'm curious about how Mexicans and Mexican-Americans are portrayed in the story.

edit: The mecha look pretty good but it seems like they could be improved with a little more thought to how the joints hinge and articulate. They seem to be plagued with the affliction of impossible joints common to most American comic book mecha designs.

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mcfitch (Admin)
It looks a lot like Cloonan's art (who BTW in a stunning surprise is working on Dark Horse's Conan right now!!!) and I mean that as a total compliment. Also check out Demo from her and Brian Wood.
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Scopedog: Warning, this is long.


One of the main characters, Mercedes "Bobbi" Hernandez, is Mexican American (though she would never self-identify that way, and would describe herself as a Chicana). She is just as committed to the idea of California as an indepedent anarchist state as Micah.

The LRRA thing is kind of an expansion of the basic ideals a lot of Chicano activist types were talking about in the '60s. It's not exactly the original José Vasconcelos idea from the '20s of La Raza Cósmica (i.e., Latin American people are a combination of all the peoples worldwide and are destined to start a new, superior civilization), but more inspired by '60s radical Chicanos in California. Long story short: California (and nearby desert southwest land) really belongs to the indigenous peoples of that region, and La Raza (those people who are the descendents of indigenous peoples, African slaves, European slaveowners, et cetera) are the proper owners of the land. The ideology basically says "this is Aztec land, we should be Aztecs, give us our land."

I'll go into it in greater detail in my fake history lessons in the back of the comic, but essentially power hungry leaders co-opted this movement and with financial/training help from USSR, built a bloc of Central and South American states into the LRRA. Then LRRA took most of California from a US weakened by a WWII that went differently than it did in our world. Since then, much of northern California has changed hands repeatedly.

While LRRA are the "bad guys", Micah, Bobbi, and company are essentially trying to return to the purity of the original movement and have an independent California, controlled by native Californians, with of course the anarchist twist of no rulers. I note that their particular take on this is that as long as you are born in California, you have a right to be here, so they're not going to kick out all the white people.

It is deliberate that Micah comes from a low class white family. While I didn't pay much attention to it when I was a teenager and spending all my time at punk rock shows, there's kind of a disturbing trend of young, poor white kids being really into radical movements, radical movements that tend to be kind of sexist and racist like uh, punk rock.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]



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Oh yeah, and re: articulation on the power armor, Jeik, Sanjeev and I, went back and forth on the joints a zillion and a half times. It's kind of hard to tell from these pictures, but I think it DOES work now, but Sanjeev, you can jump in here if you want!

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
Sanjeev (Admin)
It's good to have an ACTUAL mechanical engineer overlook a 2D artist's work. That's not a slight against Jeik's artwork at all: I loved poring over his concept sketches. And wait til you guys see his detailed drawings of the final power armor designs. GORGEOUS stuff!

But some of the joints simply didn't make any sense at all. Anime magic! So I just offered a couple suggestions and Jeik ran with 'em. Trust me--it all works! ;)
Ginrai Wrote:
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> Scopedog: Warning, this is long.

I'm not saying its impossible to portray the La Raza or Aztlan thing in a balanced sensitive manner and I'm not assuming that you haven't, but I think you would have been better off using the idea of Mexico as a failed state ruled by drug traffickers allied to anti-American foreign powers (or is that too close to the truth?).


Ginrai Wrote:
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> Oh yeah, and re: articulation on the power armor,
> Jeik, Sanjeev and I, went back and forth on the
> joints a zillion and a half times. It's kind of
> hard to tell from these pictures, but I think it
> DOES work now, but Sanjeev, you can jump in here
> if you want!

The main thing I'm talking about is, for example, can a wearer of the suit touch their right shoulder with their right hand or even bend their arm at the elbow to an angle of less than 90 degrees? If so, how? It seems impossible right now and like the way the joints are drawn would have to change from panel to panel in order to accomodate different dynamic movements. Its always refreshing to me when this isn't the case so I'd hope that yours could be one of those refreshing cases. I can understand how super robot enthusiasts might not be irked by this or even notice it but I'm sure I'm not the only "hard sf" mecha porn addict here (MADOX-01 is an example of hardcore XXX mecha pornography).

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I'm not writing about the war on drugs, I'm writing about radicalism and how young idealists so often find their movements co-opted by those in power and furthermore how young idealists are manipulated into committing acts of violence, but you can read it when it comes out and decide for yourself.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
Sanjeev (Admin)
Scopedog Wrote:
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> can a wearer of the suit touch their right
> shoulder with their right hand

I guess I'm a little confused: why would this be a prerequisite for a "good" power armor design in your mind--especially given the backstory Jeremy mentioned? The story doesn't take place in some distant future and there're no aliens involved. The machine was developed in a clearly declining and desperate society. The clunky, low-tech feel is actually appropriate, if you ask me. So what's "good" in my mind here is a lack of articulation and cumbersome movement--nothing I'd ever term "refreshing".
I'm digging the alternate history angle. Any rough ETA on when/where this will be available?

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It's definitely coming out this summer. We're launching the website in a month or two and the English paper copies will be available around then. Technically the French version will be available starting from about two weeks, but you probably want it in English. :) July is a good bet.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> I guess I'm a little confused: why would this be a
> prerequisite for a "good" power armor design in
> your mind--especially given the backstory Jeremy
> mentioned? The story doesn't take place in some
> distant future and there're no aliens involved.
> The machine was developed in a clearly declining
> and desperate society. The clunky, low-tech feel
> is actually appropriate, if you ask me. So what's
> "good" in my mind here is a lack of articulation
> and cumbersome movement--nothing I'd ever term
> "refreshing".

It seems like consciously limiting the perceived range of motion would inhibit their utility for a combat role and would defeat the purpose of including them. Incorporating combat mecha always requires a huge suspension of disbelief because all combat mecha are completely impractical in the real world, but the idea of intentionally making them handicapped begs the question of what advantage they bring to the story's battlefield.

An example of an irksome powered suit arm and a NSFW XXX mecha porn powered suit arm:



The second example could use more armor but any additional armor should not hinder the range of motion provided by the pictured exo-skeleton (the ribbed shape at the elbow is ballistic cloth).

edit: This comic's mecha don't necessarily need to bring an advantage to the story's battlefield or the advantage could just be "rule of cool" but it's refreshing to me when mecha seem feasible from an engineering perspective (and I'm not any kind of engineer). Like if somebody actually mocked up a costume out of a rigid material it could actually move like in a comic panel and strike dramatic poses.

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No, I get it--you're looking for two things: hyper-articulation and realistic articulation. What I'm saying is that the design in the comic incorporates the latter, not the former...because an Iron Man suit would be pretty fucking stupid for a comic like this. The articulation in the design is appropriate for the bulkiness of the armor...and it's appropriate for the level of technology depicted in the story.
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> No, I get it--you're looking for two things:
> hyper-articulation and realistic articulation.
> What I'm saying is that the design in the comic
> incorporates the latter, not the former...because
> an Iron Man suit would be pretty fucking stupid
> for a comic like this. The articulation in the
> design is appropriate for the bulkiness of the
> armor...and it's appropriate for the level of
> technology depicted in the story.

It seems to me that if you have the level of technology to make powered suits a viable and practical military application then the resulting product wouldn't necessarily look primitive. It doesn't have to be all angles and pipes and cables and sharp edges but there's a middle ground between the original Iron Man #1 comic book Iron Man and the Stan Winston movie Iron Man. The aesthetic of these designs is great (they remind me of Battletech Toads/Clan Elementals) but it seems like their realism could easily be improved upon just by modifying the joints.



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Ginrai Wrote:
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> I'm not writing about the war on drugs, I'm
> writing about radicalism and how young idealists
> so often find their movements co-opted by those in
> power and furthermore how young idealists are
> manipulated into committing acts of violence, but
> you can read it when it comes out and decide for
> yourself.

Ah, I see.

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NSFW XXX hot sweaty lesbian honeys knee flexibility on bulky cumbersome powered suit design:



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All this talk about joints is making me start to crave sliders.
Quite cool. It reminds me a lot of Paul Pope's work in particular.
Sanjeev (Admin)
Okay, so...

Scopedog :: Golden Gate Riot armor
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Sanjeev :: Lisa Hanawalt's treatment of Toy Fair 2012

LOL!

Well, all I'll say further on this is that I'm NOT a comic book artist, but I'm definitely a comic book fan (if not "collector"). As a fan, I love Jeik's style of artwork...BUT if I were to scrutinize every frame, I'd likely drive myself crazy and absolutely obliterate any potential joy to be taken from the book. "C'mon, there's no way his shoulder should go that way if he's leaning like that!" "WHAT? Why would her hair be waving like that when there's clearly no wind?" "The way that tablecloth drapes over the end is simply not realistic."

That's pretty idiotic, right? If you approach comic book art with that mentality, you probably need a new hobby. I haven't read GGR, but I've seen the big, clean, clear turnaround drawings for the armor. It works. If it's not quite drawn that clearly in every frame, well, I'm sure we'll all be okay.

Now pass me a gods damned slider.
I assume that feedback is welcome and I think I'm being constructive. I'm discussing a comic book mecha design on an internet discussion forum aimed at cartoon and toy robot enthusiasts. I also figure it's probably not too late and probably not unreasonable to tweak the design for later. If you compare the design of Guyver I in early issues of the manga to later issues you can see that Takaya improved the design and his ability to draw it consistently and dynamically. I'm sure this is true of many long running comic book series and there is rarely an in-story explanation for the result of the artist simply improving their skill.

From the small drawings above we can see that the artist seems to have an excellent grasp of nuance when it comes to the poses, proportions, and facial expressions of the human characters. A little more care in the portrayal of the mecha might sell me.

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mcfitch Wrote:
> It looks a lot like Cloonan's art (who BTW in a
> stunning surprise is working on Dark Horse's Conan
> right now!!!)

AND she's got an illustrated edition of Dracula (Stoker's original novel, not an adaptation or anything) coming out, and she's been putting out these excellent fantasy/horror minicomics...

Ginrai Wrote:
> It's definitely coming out this summer. We're
> launching the website in a month or two and the
> English paper copies will be available around
> then.

Let us know when it happens! I'll join the mecha design debate after I pick up a copy :v

-Paul Segal

"Oh, the anger is never far, never far." -SteveH
looks like a nice book...cool.
Thanks again for the kind words, folks! I'll definitely keep you updated on our progress! I spent a bunch of hours yesterday working on finalizing the alt history timeline. No doubt I will have to carve it down to only the stuff that actually matters, but having a wider view for my own purposes will probably be helpful down the road.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
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Very cool indeed. Makes me recall a lot of indie stuff I loved back in the 80s. (JAKE THRASH, anyone?)

Are you gonna KICKSTARTER a print version?
I'm not really sure about trying to do a Kickstarter. I'm afraid nobody knows who we are so it won't get anywhere.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
I just heard from Jeik that he sold 30 copies of the French edition of Golden Gate Riot at a con in Canada! Super excited!

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
You guys expect to do any cons in the northeast U.S. this year or next?

-Paul Segal

"Oh, the anger is never far, never far." -SteveH
Hmm, I don't have plans to get to that neck of the woods soon, but I'm not sure about Jeik. He's from Montreal, so he's certainly a lot closer than me here in San Francisco. I will check with him and see what his upcoming con plans are.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
I really like what I see! I work for a library. I'm wondering if there might be some form of teaser or other sample of the work that I might push at the people who buy comics and graphic novels? Not sure how you're aiming this in regards to serial or single book.

More serious than thou
I'll send you a PM about this stuff, Fujikuro!

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]



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Love the artwork :)
Thanks! I will pass your feedback on to the artist!

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
Here's a little preview art from a short Golden Gate Riot side story that is going to be in the back of the comic when it comics out. As usual, it's written by me, drawn by Jeik Dion.



-Ginrai
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I'm a real boy! I mean, I'm a real comic book writer. Coverage of Golden Gate Riot in the leading Montreal newspaper: [t.co] We're in the recommendations right next to Naruto. You may want to check it out in Google Translate or something, as it's in French.



-Ginrai
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I thought the theory behind Powered Armor was that it would be versatile and agile and therefore particularly deadly to tracked vehicles. If a tank can take out a GGR Powered Armor whats the point of the powered armor? The tank looks great however especially with the flourish of the blast pattern hinting at a muzzle brake.

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