Voltron Lionbot? Quality or not?
Posted by fujikuro
| February 09, 2011 08:51PM |
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mcfitch (Admin)
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February 09, 2011 11:19PM |
This ought to answer your question. You're welcome.
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Matthewalt "I actually kinda LIKE that approach! You know: let's make a TOY. Remember those? Products designed to be played with without breaking? DO YOU REMEMBER, LOVE?!"
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Sanjeev (Admin)
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February 10, 2011 11:13AM |
AH...that video just does NOT get old, does it??
But to be honest, I've handled a couple Lionbots, and their quality varies wildly. I've seen some that are super-floppy pieces of shit. But somehow, magically, I scored one that tight as a drum. There are still some fitment issues where you have to wiggle bits to get them to come apart, and the missile launchers sometimes need coaxing to fire, but all the joints and connections are solid.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to tell from the outside whether you're getting a doo-doo one or a stable one...
But to be honest, I've handled a couple Lionbots, and their quality varies wildly. I've seen some that are super-floppy pieces of shit. But somehow, magically, I scored one that tight as a drum. There are still some fitment issues where you have to wiggle bits to get them to come apart, and the missile launchers sometimes need coaxing to fire, but all the joints and connections are solid.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to tell from the outside whether you're getting a doo-doo one or a stable one...
| February 10, 2011 03:28PM |
| February 10, 2011 08:36PM |
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Sanjeev (Admin)
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February 10, 2011 08:42PM |
Dan Webber, RIP, got one when they came out and said it wasn't any better than the diecast version. Sure, the limbs were lighter, but the joints were proportionately weaker! Fucking thing...
So, if you dig the Masterpiece design, go for the diecast.
If you prefer the missile-firey goodness of the original DX, your best bet will likely be to go after a Godaikin or the original Japanese release (or at least piecing together a loose one over time to save your wallet). The Matchbox Voltron is neutered and the QC on the Trendmasters is just as spotty as the Lionbot boots.
So, if you dig the Masterpiece design, go for the diecast.
If you prefer the missile-firey goodness of the original DX, your best bet will likely be to go after a Godaikin or the original Japanese release (or at least piecing together a loose one over time to save your wallet). The Matchbox Voltron is neutered and the QC on the Trendmasters is just as spotty as the Lionbot boots.
| February 10, 2011 09:41PM |
I just peeped the Toynami Voltrons on Evilbay. Holy shit. I can't believe what people are asking for those. At the time I paid less than $100 for the diecast one and I sold it for little more than that, too. I thought it was a solid, meaty chogokinesque toy with excellent shelf presence (over 14" tall if I remember rightly). It looked pretty good next to Soul of Chogokin figures. But when I got rid of those I got rid of the lions. Meh.
The leg connections were a tricky spot and I could see where they would be prone to breakage or floppage over time. You'd think the plastic one would remedy some of that, but apparently not. Who knew?
If you want a definitive version of the character and price is not a factor, I'd go for the diecast masterpiece since the proportions and sculpt are top notch. But if you like honest to goodness vintagey stuff, go for the original or a similar knock off. You can't beat their funk. And if the KO is cheap enough who cares if it has shoddy quality control?
The leg connections were a tricky spot and I could see where they would be prone to breakage or floppage over time. You'd think the plastic one would remedy some of that, but apparently not. Who knew?
If you want a definitive version of the character and price is not a factor, I'd go for the diecast masterpiece since the proportions and sculpt are top notch. But if you like honest to goodness vintagey stuff, go for the original or a similar knock off. You can't beat their funk. And if the KO is cheap enough who cares if it has shoddy quality control?
| February 10, 2011 11:56PM |
Mr. Crush, please stop transcribing my thoughts. I'm still fixing my tinfoil helmet. Until then, no brain-reading, please:
Gcrush Wrote:
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> I just peeped the Toynami Voltrons on Evilbay.
> Holy shit. I can't believe what people are asking
> for those.
>
Crazy, isn't it? Your Revoltech thread was starting to tug me back toward the Dark Side (thankfully, a day of meditation eradicated any lingering desire I had to buy up a giant lot of this crack, HLJ sale notwithstanding). That said, I was stunned by how much the Revoltech Dangaioh (probably my favorite from when I still had them) was going for on eBay (and what some sellers are asking). Re-dick-U-lus.
>
> The leg connections were a tricky spot and I could
> see where they would be prone to breakage or
> floppage over time. You'd think the plastic one
> would remedy some of that, but apparently not.
> Who knew?
>
Yup, these were senior-citizen hips, in terms of screaming for a break, though with the enormous weight of the legs, I don't know how you could have made this section tighter and still keep the ball joints. Also: the stupidly flimsy flaps that went over the black lion's forelegs in robot mode. The time I spent massaging those things into place...
>
> If you want a definitive version of the character
> and price is not a factor, I'd go for the diecast
> masterpiece since the proportions and sculpt are
> top notch.
>
I think LeMel once used the word Godaikinesque to describe this thing, and he's right. Why did I sell it again?
Gcrush Wrote:
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> I just peeped the Toynami Voltrons on Evilbay.
> Holy shit. I can't believe what people are asking
> for those.
>
Crazy, isn't it? Your Revoltech thread was starting to tug me back toward the Dark Side (thankfully, a day of meditation eradicated any lingering desire I had to buy up a giant lot of this crack, HLJ sale notwithstanding). That said, I was stunned by how much the Revoltech Dangaioh (probably my favorite from when I still had them) was going for on eBay (and what some sellers are asking). Re-dick-U-lus.
>
> The leg connections were a tricky spot and I could
> see where they would be prone to breakage or
> floppage over time. You'd think the plastic one
> would remedy some of that, but apparently not.
> Who knew?
>
Yup, these were senior-citizen hips, in terms of screaming for a break, though with the enormous weight of the legs, I don't know how you could have made this section tighter and still keep the ball joints. Also: the stupidly flimsy flaps that went over the black lion's forelegs in robot mode. The time I spent massaging those things into place...
>
> If you want a definitive version of the character
> and price is not a factor, I'd go for the diecast
> masterpiece since the proportions and sculpt are
> top notch.
>
I think LeMel once used the word Godaikinesque to describe this thing, and he's right. Why did I sell it again?
| February 11, 2011 10:22AM |
gingaio Wrote:
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> Mr. Crush, please stop transcribing my thoughts.
> I'm still fixing my tinfoil helmet. Until then, no
> brain-reading, please:
I am not Herbert. We reach!
> Crazy, isn't it? Your Revoltech thread was
> starting to tug me back toward the Dark Side
> (thankfully, a day of meditation eradicated any
> lingering desire I had to buy up a giant lot of
> this crack, HLJ sale notwithstanding).
Fool! I will win in the end.
> That said, I was stunned by how much the Revoltech Dangaioh
> (probably my favorite from when I still had them)
> was going for on eBay (and what some sellers are
> asking). Re-dick-U-lus.
Was that an exclusive? Those tend to stay pretty high on the secondary market. But Kaiyodo is relatively reasonable when it comes to reissuing older figures. For high-priced non-exclusives I think it's a case of scalper fever - some doods holding a supply of figures that weren't particularly in demand in the first place (thus unlikely to be re-released) and hoping to cash in on that one guy who's a fan and has just gotta have it. Reasonable supply, low demand, high prices... What do you call that kind of market effect?
> Yup, these were senior-citizen hips, in terms of
> screaming for a break, though with the enormous
> weight of the legs, I don't know how you could
> have made this section tighter and still keep the
> ball joints. Also: the stupidly flimsy flaps that
> went over the black lion's forelegs in robot mode.
> The time I spent massaging those things into
> place...
They could have engineered that part a little better. Diecast rear legs on the black lion. Replace the ball joint with a ratcheting swivel with an embedded ratcheting hinge. Plenty of spread-eagley action while beefing up the durability. But in the end nothing was going to keep those monstrous legs from clanking together if you picked the figure up at the body.
Also, the butt-flaps on the blue and yeller lions should have been higher grade plastic. Just like the black lion's front leg panels you mentioned.
> I think LeMel once used the word Godaikinesque to
> describe this thing, and he's right. Why did I
> sell it again?
Because, like the ugly girlfriend who was voraciously dedicated in bed but wasn't quite attractive enough to take to lunch in case someone you knew might be dining in that part of town even though it wasn't terribly likely, we never appreciate the things we have until we throw them away and reminisce about how, while they were never perfect, they weren't all that bad compared to the more attractive partners we had afterwords who turned out to be simultaneously prudish and self-interested maybe we should have given the ex more time to get her teeth fixed even though it wouldn't have fixed her personality flaws that went beyond the superficial and into that deeper layer of psychological attachment in which someone really, really desperately needs to be wanted because society puts too much emphasis on appearances and she never got the attention as a teenager or young adult that would have made her more adapted at having honest and stable relationships later in life that would have been more fulfilling while at the same time allowing her to avoid the social pitfalls of being, "That girl who's a little too easy to get into bed with because she's a little too desperate and eager to please relative to her good qualities," and I think we all know the type of person I'm talking about here.
To paraphrase: Toynami Voltron suffered from self-esteem issues that make me hopeful Bandai will release a non-transforming version in their Super Robot line of actiony figures.
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> Mr. Crush, please stop transcribing my thoughts.
> I'm still fixing my tinfoil helmet. Until then, no
> brain-reading, please:
I am not Herbert. We reach!
> Crazy, isn't it? Your Revoltech thread was
> starting to tug me back toward the Dark Side
> (thankfully, a day of meditation eradicated any
> lingering desire I had to buy up a giant lot of
> this crack, HLJ sale notwithstanding).
Fool! I will win in the end.
> That said, I was stunned by how much the Revoltech Dangaioh
> (probably my favorite from when I still had them)
> was going for on eBay (and what some sellers are
> asking). Re-dick-U-lus.
Was that an exclusive? Those tend to stay pretty high on the secondary market. But Kaiyodo is relatively reasonable when it comes to reissuing older figures. For high-priced non-exclusives I think it's a case of scalper fever - some doods holding a supply of figures that weren't particularly in demand in the first place (thus unlikely to be re-released) and hoping to cash in on that one guy who's a fan and has just gotta have it. Reasonable supply, low demand, high prices... What do you call that kind of market effect?
> Yup, these were senior-citizen hips, in terms of
> screaming for a break, though with the enormous
> weight of the legs, I don't know how you could
> have made this section tighter and still keep the
> ball joints. Also: the stupidly flimsy flaps that
> went over the black lion's forelegs in robot mode.
> The time I spent massaging those things into
> place...
They could have engineered that part a little better. Diecast rear legs on the black lion. Replace the ball joint with a ratcheting swivel with an embedded ratcheting hinge. Plenty of spread-eagley action while beefing up the durability. But in the end nothing was going to keep those monstrous legs from clanking together if you picked the figure up at the body.
Also, the butt-flaps on the blue and yeller lions should have been higher grade plastic. Just like the black lion's front leg panels you mentioned.
> I think LeMel once used the word Godaikinesque to
> describe this thing, and he's right. Why did I
> sell it again?
Because, like the ugly girlfriend who was voraciously dedicated in bed but wasn't quite attractive enough to take to lunch in case someone you knew might be dining in that part of town even though it wasn't terribly likely, we never appreciate the things we have until we throw them away and reminisce about how, while they were never perfect, they weren't all that bad compared to the more attractive partners we had afterwords who turned out to be simultaneously prudish and self-interested maybe we should have given the ex more time to get her teeth fixed even though it wouldn't have fixed her personality flaws that went beyond the superficial and into that deeper layer of psychological attachment in which someone really, really desperately needs to be wanted because society puts too much emphasis on appearances and she never got the attention as a teenager or young adult that would have made her more adapted at having honest and stable relationships later in life that would have been more fulfilling while at the same time allowing her to avoid the social pitfalls of being, "That girl who's a little too easy to get into bed with because she's a little too desperate and eager to please relative to her good qualities," and I think we all know the type of person I'm talking about here.
To paraphrase: Toynami Voltron suffered from self-esteem issues that make me hopeful Bandai will release a non-transforming version in their Super Robot line of actiony figures.
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Sanjeev (Admin)
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February 11, 2011 10:34AM |
gingacrush, you appear to be smoking something sticky again...
I'm not a "it's vintage, so it's better" kind of guy and I'm also not nostalgic for the older version...so my opinions aren't fueled by those kinds of thing.
But come on...to call the Toynami "Godaikinesque"? That's like calling an SoC toy "Godaikinesque"...'cause it's got some diecast in it?? The Toynami looks more accurate to the cartoon; that's great. Very poseable compared to the Godaikin--another plus.
But besides looking pretty on my shelf, I like toys that are fun. And I'm not saying the Toynami Voltron isn't fun--it's transformation/combination is engineered to be simple and fun (unlike many modern "adult collectibles" that take 3 hours to transform...and even then, don't fit quite right). BUT transforming/combining is pretty much all it does. There are no missile fire gimmicks or optional add-on parts that are fun. That pretty much makes the original design for me: all the little knives & shit that go in the lions' mouths...love that crap.
The Toynami looks great, poses great...but it's floppy in your hands and doesn't do much. That's totally fine for some people, but absolutely not for others...so I'd hardly call it "definitive" or "Godaikinesque"...
I'm not a "it's vintage, so it's better" kind of guy and I'm also not nostalgic for the older version...so my opinions aren't fueled by those kinds of thing.
But come on...to call the Toynami "Godaikinesque"? That's like calling an SoC toy "Godaikinesque"...'cause it's got some diecast in it?? The Toynami looks more accurate to the cartoon; that's great. Very poseable compared to the Godaikin--another plus.
But besides looking pretty on my shelf, I like toys that are fun. And I'm not saying the Toynami Voltron isn't fun--it's transformation/combination is engineered to be simple and fun (unlike many modern "adult collectibles" that take 3 hours to transform...and even then, don't fit quite right). BUT transforming/combining is pretty much all it does. There are no missile fire gimmicks or optional add-on parts that are fun. That pretty much makes the original design for me: all the little knives & shit that go in the lions' mouths...love that crap.
The Toynami looks great, poses great...but it's floppy in your hands and doesn't do much. That's totally fine for some people, but absolutely not for others...so I'd hardly call it "definitive" or "Godaikinesque"...
| February 11, 2011 11:17AM |
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> But come on...to call the Toynami "Godaikinesque"?
I think the reference was meant to invoke the size and weight of the figure with modern engineering, not the gimmicks.
> But besides looking pretty on my shelf, I like
> toys that are fun.
Naw, man. Toy's aren't meant to be fun. They're serious! ^^
The Toynami Voltron, to me, wasn't very fun. Certainly not in the sense that you describe, but also not in the sense that I think of - poseable and actiony. It's in a weird middle ground because of the gattai mechanism and weight limit the actiony part and, as you noted, there were ZERO add-ons for the lions.
The highlight of the figure was definitely the faithfulness to the cartoon. I mean, I don't know of any other Voltron toy that looks quite as good by comparison.
> And I'm not saying the Toynami
> Voltron isn't fun--it's transformation/combination
> is engineered to be simple and fun (unlike many
> modern "adult collectibles" that take 3 hours to
> transform...and even then, don't fit quite right).
> BUT transforming/combining is pretty much all it
> does.
And I don't think it did this very well. The gattai engineering was the weakest point of the set. That's disappointing considering it's also its main feature.
Getting back to the stuff you described as being awesome in a toy, if that were my criteria I'd aim for the World Events Voltron. It doesn't have the shooting heads, but it had the weapons. Plus it's huge, sturdy, has opening cockpits, and charmingly goofy proportions. You can't beat that shit.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/11/2011 11:18AM by Gcrush.
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> But come on...to call the Toynami "Godaikinesque"?
I think the reference was meant to invoke the size and weight of the figure with modern engineering, not the gimmicks.
> But besides looking pretty on my shelf, I like
> toys that are fun.
Naw, man. Toy's aren't meant to be fun. They're serious! ^^
The Toynami Voltron, to me, wasn't very fun. Certainly not in the sense that you describe, but also not in the sense that I think of - poseable and actiony. It's in a weird middle ground because of the gattai mechanism and weight limit the actiony part and, as you noted, there were ZERO add-ons for the lions.
The highlight of the figure was definitely the faithfulness to the cartoon. I mean, I don't know of any other Voltron toy that looks quite as good by comparison.
> And I'm not saying the Toynami
> Voltron isn't fun--it's transformation/combination
> is engineered to be simple and fun (unlike many
> modern "adult collectibles" that take 3 hours to
> transform...and even then, don't fit quite right).
> BUT transforming/combining is pretty much all it
> does.
And I don't think it did this very well. The gattai engineering was the weakest point of the set. That's disappointing considering it's also its main feature.
Getting back to the stuff you described as being awesome in a toy, if that were my criteria I'd aim for the World Events Voltron. It doesn't have the shooting heads, but it had the weapons. Plus it's huge, sturdy, has opening cockpits, and charmingly goofy proportions. You can't beat that shit.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/11/2011 11:18AM by Gcrush.
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Sanjeev (Admin)
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February 11, 2011 11:41AM |
Gcrush Wrote:
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> I think the reference was meant to invoke the size
> and weight of the figure with modern engineering,
> not the gimmicks.
Fair enough...I'll buy that.
> The Toynami Voltron, to me, wasn't very fun.
> Certainly not in the sense that you describe, but
> also not in the sense that I think of - poseable
> and actiony. It's in a weird middle ground
> because of the gattai mechanism and weight limit
> the actiony part and, as you noted, there were
> ZERO add-ons for the lions.
It IS a weird middle ground, huh? Like the toy can't make up it's mind what it's trying to do/be. Well, I was trying to be fair by mentioning its poseability. A lot of people loved the fact that the sword handle was double-length and that it could sorta get into a two-handed sword grip pose. Sorta. It was DAMN limited...and thus of little value to me.
Actually, the one thing I sorta liked about the lions was that their leg joints allowed a little splaying...and since their proportions were already more "lithe", they looked real good on their own (but, of course, with no missile launchers or mouth-daggers...meh).
> Getting back to the stuff you described as being
> awesome in a toy, if that were my criteria I'd aim
> for the World Events Voltron. It doesn't have the
> shooting heads, but it had the weapons. Plus it's
> huge, sturdy, has opening cockpits, and charmingly
> goofy proportions. You can't beat that shit.
>
> [toyboxdx.com]
True, that thing doesn't get discussed much (prolly 'cause of lack of diecast and hilariously out-of-scale pilot figs), but it was fun as all hell!
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> I think the reference was meant to invoke the size
> and weight of the figure with modern engineering,
> not the gimmicks.
Fair enough...I'll buy that.
> The Toynami Voltron, to me, wasn't very fun.
> Certainly not in the sense that you describe, but
> also not in the sense that I think of - poseable
> and actiony. It's in a weird middle ground
> because of the gattai mechanism and weight limit
> the actiony part and, as you noted, there were
> ZERO add-ons for the lions.
It IS a weird middle ground, huh? Like the toy can't make up it's mind what it's trying to do/be. Well, I was trying to be fair by mentioning its poseability. A lot of people loved the fact that the sword handle was double-length and that it could sorta get into a two-handed sword grip pose. Sorta. It was DAMN limited...and thus of little value to me.
Actually, the one thing I sorta liked about the lions was that their leg joints allowed a little splaying...and since their proportions were already more "lithe", they looked real good on their own (but, of course, with no missile launchers or mouth-daggers...meh).
> Getting back to the stuff you described as being
> awesome in a toy, if that were my criteria I'd aim
> for the World Events Voltron. It doesn't have the
> shooting heads, but it had the weapons. Plus it's
> huge, sturdy, has opening cockpits, and charmingly
> goofy proportions. You can't beat that shit.
>
> [toyboxdx.com]
True, that thing doesn't get discussed much (prolly 'cause of lack of diecast and hilariously out-of-scale pilot figs), but it was fun as all hell!
| February 11, 2011 03:52PM |
Gcrush Wrote:
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> Sanjeev Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But come on...to call the Toynami
> "Godaikinesque"?
>
> I think the reference was meant to invoke the size
> and weight of the figure with modern engineering,
> not the gimmicks.
>
> The highlight of the figure was definitely the
> faithfulness to the cartoon. I mean, I don't know
> of any other Voltron toy that looks quite as good
> by comparison.
>
Yup, size and heft. The one thing about Godaikins and Godaikin-sized chogokins was how massive they felt, especially to little kid hands. A lot of modern toys feel dinky in comparison. Something like the SOC Godmars is probably what I'd hold up as the perfect modern chogo, as far as size and engineering. You put that in a line-up with Masterpiece Voltron and SOC Dancougar and it's like a neo-Godaikin set, except for the shortcomings that become apparent when you start messing with them.
> Was that an exclusive? Those tend to stay pretty high on the secondary market.
Nah, man, Dangaioh was/is a standard release. Picked it up for $18.99 about a year ago(?) Freakin' scalpers....
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> Sanjeev Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But come on...to call the Toynami
> "Godaikinesque"?
>
> I think the reference was meant to invoke the size
> and weight of the figure with modern engineering,
> not the gimmicks.
>
> The highlight of the figure was definitely the
> faithfulness to the cartoon. I mean, I don't know
> of any other Voltron toy that looks quite as good
> by comparison.
>
Yup, size and heft. The one thing about Godaikins and Godaikin-sized chogokins was how massive they felt, especially to little kid hands. A lot of modern toys feel dinky in comparison. Something like the SOC Godmars is probably what I'd hold up as the perfect modern chogo, as far as size and engineering. You put that in a line-up with Masterpiece Voltron and SOC Dancougar and it's like a neo-Godaikin set, except for the shortcomings that become apparent when you start messing with them.
> Was that an exclusive? Those tend to stay pretty high on the secondary market.
Nah, man, Dangaioh was/is a standard release. Picked it up for $18.99 about a year ago(?) Freakin' scalpers....
| February 11, 2011 06:31PM |
Fun discussion Perfessir GingGeevCrush.
Fuji, if you're after a lionbot, you'll likely find some still kicking around in US dealers, or at cons. I see them pop up in for sale listings once in a while. There's a bunch out there, and could save the Taiwan shipping charge. Like has been said, some random quality.
If you want something different, track down the half sized diecast Lionbot combiner.
Fuji, if you're after a lionbot, you'll likely find some still kicking around in US dealers, or at cons. I see them pop up in for sale listings once in a while. There's a bunch out there, and could save the Taiwan shipping charge. Like has been said, some random quality.
If you want something different, track down the half sized diecast Lionbot combiner.
| February 13, 2011 02:29AM |
gingaio Wrote:
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> I think LeMel once used the word Godaikinesque to
> describe this thing, and he's right. Why did I
> sell it again?
It was Matt and he was talking about Dancouga [toyboxdx.com]
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> I think LeMel once used the word Godaikinesque to
> describe this thing, and he's right. Why did I
> sell it again?
It was Matt and he was talking about Dancouga [toyboxdx.com]
| February 13, 2011 06:32PM |
Huh. I must have mashed up his word with your sentiment from here:
[toyboxdx.com]
"I have to say the Toynami GoLion, while really nothing more that an updated sculpt of the Godaikin/Popy DX..."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2011 06:47PM by gingaio.
[toyboxdx.com]
"I have to say the Toynami GoLion, while really nothing more that an updated sculpt of the Godaikin/Popy DX..."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2011 06:47PM by gingaio.
| February 14, 2011 11:23AM |
repairtechjon Wrote:
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> If you want something different, track down the
> half sized diecast Lionbot combiner.
Wasn't that Matchbox or something? My brother had one of those as a kid. Open-stock item at K-Mart. $5. Like a shrunken-down DX without the add-ons. Not a bad compromise if you can find one for cheap.
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> If you want something different, track down the
> half sized diecast Lionbot combiner.
Wasn't that Matchbox or something? My brother had one of those as a kid. Open-stock item at K-Mart. $5. Like a shrunken-down DX without the add-ons. Not a bad compromise if you can find one for cheap.
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