Unicron

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Sanjeev (Admin)
jacksauce Wrote:
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> AM I the only one whose favorite unicron is the
> unproduced prototype from the 80's?

Probably.

;)

I think that toy, in and of itself, looks pretty great and would make an awesome Happy Meal sort of toy (if appropriately scaled down to fit in the box!).

But I remember the original movie very fondly and I *loved* everything about Unicron. I've always wanted a toy of how the character was depicted in the movie: EPIC!
Supersentai Wrote:
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> That's classic! Once Hasbro ran out of the
> pre-engineered Micro's and Diaclones, the drop in
> the level of creativity and complexity of the
> latter releases really showed.

One thing I've never been clear on is how the design duties have been split between Hasbro and Takara over the life of the toy lines. Has there ever been a line that was entirely US-engineered?
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Inverarity Wrote:
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> Supersentai Wrote:
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> > That's classic! Once Hasbro ran out of the
> > pre-engineered Micro's and Diaclones, the drop
> in
> > the level of creativity and complexity of the
> > latter releases really showed.
>
> One thing I've never been clear on is how the
> design duties have been split between Hasbro and
> Takara over the life of the toy lines. Has there
> ever been a line that was entirely US-engineered?

I'm going to go with the Titaniums. Great success.
Ah, I wasn't aware that those were a US production.

Some of the Titaniums came out better than others - I think a decent percentage of them have balance and fit issues that stem from the weight of the metal parts. They were a really nice change of pace, though. I love that they took the opportunity to revisit designs from lots of previous lines (as well as create toys for characters that hadn't had them before).
I just remember that the G1 line went to pot right after the movie.

EVERYTHING was plastic now, and lacked the aspects that attracted me to them as toys in the beginning: die-cast metal, intricate transformations, artful designs, and realistic vehicular/non-robot modes.

If you had a shelf full of G1 cars, jets, common household items (guns, tape decks, cameras), etc., most folks wouldn't be able to tell you had a hidden army of robots just waiting to pounce.

The latter drek looked like something guys were forced at noodle-point to come up with rapidly or lose thier jobs. Rarely strong in either their robot or non-robot modes asthetically speaking.

Almost like the farie tale about the guy who kept finding Feberge' eggs, and passing them off to the King as his own creations in order to gain favor and fortune, until he ran out and tried to pass of some poorly cobbled together nugget of wood, nails and plaster as another egg to please the King. Well, long story short, the King was actually the maker of the Feberge eggs, and left them for the guy to find without him knowing it, playing along with the whole game, just messing with him, waiting the whole time for the payoff of seeing what he came up with when there were no more to find. Then catapulting him into the woods for bringing him such a crappy egg at the end.

I just kind of have the feeling that's what it was like in the design meetings at Hasbro when the existing Japanese items finally ran out.

-Adam
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I suppose it comes down to taste, but I honestly found the latter-era Transformers much more enjoyable as a kid than the Diaclone/Microman sourced designs (excepting the Minibots, which ruled). The older toys had too many parts (to lose) and joints that couldn't really stand up to clumsy child-hands (snapped the roof off my Prowl almost immediately). For the same reason, however, I find these (Diaclone/Microman) Transformers fairly captivating as an adult collector.

For example, very few adult collectors are into the Throttlebots because of the simple- almost crude- design. But for a kid who wants his toys to transform instantly as in the show, these were great fun. They also had the added benefit of matching their comic/tv appearance fairly well. I still like 'em.
Funny, by the time I was 5-6, stuff like the Terrorcons, Scorponok and the Pretender monsters were coming out, and I loved them.

Abominus was my first combiner so I have a soft spot for him.

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I asked if I have "Time For L-Gaim" but I got "No Reply From The Wind".
Isn't there a rule about not mentioning the Throttlebots on this site, something akin to the MOE guidelines?

If not...there should be.


Late 1980's...Hasbro Transformer Laboratories:

Genius designer: "Hey, I've come up with a new series of die-cast cars that might even be BETTER than the original diaclones...check them out boss!"

Corporate Stooge: "Hmmm...those are nice, but I'm sure they'd be expensive to make...any other ideas?"

Brain-injury-custodian (NOT making fun of custodians...that's just the job he was in): "How about this one, I made it myself whilst nobody was looking. I call him Goldbutt..."

Corporate Stooge: "Goldbug?"

Brain-injury-custodian: "Goldbutt..."

Corporate Stooge: "GoldBUG?"

Brain-injury-custodian: Goldbutt...er...I mean GoldBUG".

Corporate Stooge: "Very nice, could you make five more just as nice as that one?"

Brain-injury-custodian: "Yessir, twern't hard to do at all, in fact my small child varmit did most of the work."

Corporate Stooge: "Exceeeelent (tumbling fingers)."

Genius designer: "But...but...but!?!"

Brain-injury-custodian: "Gold...butt...tee hee!".
Sanjeev (Admin)
How old are you?
Mentally or chronologically?

I realize most of my postings are more "humerous" in nature rather than serious (and seem funny to *me* at the time I'm rifling them off), but if the site doesn't maintain a balance between joviality and serious hard-core analysis, I'd have a hard time maintaining interest.

If it's not welcome, let me know and I'll move on.
No one's going to tell you to stay or leave. I don't think most people care enough to.

Far as I know, no one's doing scholarly research here as far as hardcore analysis, but most people here aren't laughing at the idea of mentally disabled people using the word butt either, not that it's offensive, but just that it's the kind of humor my eight-year-old nephew might find funny if he hadn't already grown out of it, which is why you were asked how old you were. Take it how you will.
Sanjeev (Admin)
^^ What he said.

By all means, post away. I was about to write a fairly harsh response, but then realized that might be kinda fucked up if you were a kid or something...
I have no problem with someone taking issue with this becoming a "humor at the expense of the disabled" argument, if someone wants to dig their heels in and ascribe that sort of intent to my post. But given my opinion of Hasbro issuing toys such as the Throttlebots...EVER...my intent was that of pure hyperbole as an expression of frustration. My apologies for anyone who took it for more than that, or for those in the custodial profession who might also take offense for that matter.

It was a stream of consciousness posting, not something I spent more than a minute typing up or plotting out, not wondering who would or wouldn't be offended, or feel the need to berate me over it. Not that anyone would care enough to...right?



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Dude, my point was that the joke was NOT offensive (at least to me), but simply extremely unfunny in a very childlike way.

It's kind of like someone coming up to you in the physical world, poking you in the chest, and going, "Butt, butt...heh, heh, heh."

And when you don't laugh the other guy goes, "You don't get my humor???!!! Why are you so serious???!!!"

If it were a grown man telling me this joke, I'd be weirded out a bit, I have to say. If it were a child, as Sanjeev feared, then I would sort of understand.

So w/r/t to this guy poking you in the chest, you have the option of either walking away or saying, "I'm not 4. I have no idea why that's supposed to be funny. Like, I know you're trying to make me laugh. I even understand the intent behind the (intended) humorous presentation of your thoughts regarding a particular sub-line of Transformers toys. However, even if I were 4, I'm not sure I would find the execution of your comedic/parodic/satiric vehicle funny. In any way. Whatsoever."

Happens all the time. No biggie. Once, I tried to read Nicholson Baker because my friends think he's SO funny. Just didn't do anything for me.



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After digesting all of that, I still chuckled to myself after re-reading the original posting. If either you have something funnier to add, by all means, but I still can't help but feel the "burn" of the insults wrapped as an accusation of acting childish based on my posting. I spend enough time in professional/mature mode that I figured outside of insulting anyone directly, I was safe to exercise my inner child in this environment.

What I find infantile are people who have to pepper every other word of their postings with f-this and f-that, guess that makes for manly sounding toy-talk. Never ceases to impress me how my occasionally (admittedly) lame sense of humour leads to flaming, but I can shut that off when I finish a posting and return to the real world. I'm not sure that's true for some folks around here. I've been hitting chat groups since the early 90's, so it's not an issue of being able to take the heat or anything, I just find the seriousness of some folks responses genuinely disturbing and annoying. I think I'll be better off appreciating the site from afar, or just not at all.

Enjoy
Supersentai Wrote:
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> Unfunny.


Everyone Else Wrote:
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> Hilarious.


A-HA-HA-HA-HA. This kills me. Dood, I have no idea how you can keep missing the point. Unless you're Vincent Z you will get killed faster around here for being unfunny than you will for anything else. Anyway.

I don't have a clue what Throttle Bots are. Is this one?




Because, frankly, it doesn't look either particularly retarded or humorous.

Until you put it in this guy's hands. After which it appears to be both.





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I always wanted the Beast Wars Neo Unicron to get produced. Was such a neat design.
The Takera Movie accurate color scheme Unicron is now back on BBTS for pre-order. I got my order with the other people cause I thought that BBTS wouldn't have any more for pre-order.
The Chaos bringer arrives!

[www.seibertron.com]

The inkwash really brings out the details. They should have made his abs clear red though (like in the movie).

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I asked if I have "Time For L-Gaim" but I got "No Reply From The Wind".
Oh Unicron, get to my house already.

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
Sanjeev (Admin)
Well, for those who ordered from RobotKingdom, you should have 'em by now! Mine arrived today...and I'm psyched as shit!

I haven't really messed with him yet, but I did check out the eyes. There's sort of a vague greenish tint to them when I shine a light directly on them, but it's tough to notice. They're basically clear...and because the inside of the head is perpetually dark, they appear black in normal light. Just need to figure out how to replace the red LED with a green one.

Where's Jon when I need him!? :P

And for those still on the fence: [www.youtube.com]
Do you own the Hasbro Armada release to compare?

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I asked if I have "Time For L-Gaim" but I got "No Reply From The Wind".
Sanjeev (Admin)
Yup.

Eyes are the same (if that's what you're referring to).
Nice review link.

Green eyes, hmmm?
I'll dig around, but most every manufacturer I work with uses red, blue, or amber LEDs, or jewel lenses over the LEDs.
A green LED, or even a green snap-over jewel lens should be find-able though.

Love the line art on the box!
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> Well, for those who ordered from RobotKingdom, you
> should have 'em by now! Mine arrived today...and
> I'm psyched as shit!

While the video link is good with high(er) production value and all, I fucking hate video reviews. I just don't like watching people put their hands all over toys while they mumble absently about how, "...good it is," and how, "...you know daddy likes it when you're bad," and so on. Makes me feel dirty. Really, shamefully dirty.

Besides, I don't know that other guy and can't give a fuck about him. For all I know he's one of those Tranny weirdos you hear about on the internets making passes at underage robots. I want to know what SANJEEV thinks about this toy. Lay it on us, man!
Sanjeev (Admin)
Nah, I totally feel you. That particular reviewer generally sends me into fits of rage...and to think--he's one of the more benign video reviewers out there. I just posted his shit because the video (if not the audio) is tight...and because I think his is pretty much the ONLY video review of this thing out there right now. We've talked about this before, but I like that dude, peaugh. Dude's concise, to the point, and just transforms the fucking toy on camera. No pre-ejaculating over how "cool" it is or worthless digressions into his personal life or fanboy opinions.

Anyway, damn you for actually making me open this thing. I mean, I wasn't NOT gonna open this toy...but I hadn't exactly chopped out time in my schedule for it, y'knowmsayin? Well, I figure I might as well hack into the box while the Jets pummel the Bills (fucking Mark Sanchez).

General consensus: good, but seems sloppy at first. I have the Armada version and it's pretty dope. No need to go into the details...most everyone knows what to expect with an Armada Unicron. It's been fully vetted on pretty much every robot website from here to the other end of the interwebs. So...I had those expectations when I opened this thing.

I think the mold's getting tired. No, it's not that the actual joints are loose or anything, but there's a sort of mushiness to the whole rig that's tough to describe. Like, holding the Armada, everything feels sorta squeaky-tight, like a big, heavy hard-plastic thing with joints that "crack" before they start moving freely. So, I *expected* the same thing with the new one. The 2010 Unicron feels softer, though. The joints are still tight, but it's almost like they're smoother (I think they were retooled for this release). I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing...but it's noticeable for those used to the Armada...and a bit scary at first.

But whatever. Now that I've messed around with it for a while, I can say it's definitely solid. It may feel different at first...but it's not worse. In fact, the joints in the ankles are quite a bit tighter, making him a LOT more stable in robot mode. Also, the wings have always been real fiddly, but those joints seem a little tighter, too.

Oh, the molding on the new Dead End's gun (the bronze plastic) looks like shit. But who cares? Umm...the friction motor on the chest missile launcher is kinda weak--the right side chest door doesn't swing all the way open. Again, a gimmick I'll likely never play with.

The thing LOOKS as sick as advertised. There were a couple paint smudges that about four seconds with some acetone cured, but other than that, if the original movie gives you geek-chills, you NEED this toy. We've seen 10 trillion pics of this toy since it was announced, so there's little surprise when you open it up...but if you put it side-by-side with an Armada, it's almost a bad joke. Put the Armada down and be happy about your new purchase.





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A) I like that dude, peaugh. Dude's concise, to the point, and just transforms the fucking toy on camera. No pre-ejaculating over how "cool" it is or worthless digressions into his personal life or fanboy opinions.

B) I mean, I wasn't NOT gonna open this toy...but I hadn't exactly chopped out time in my schedule for it, y'knowmsayin? Well, I figure I might as well hack into the box while the Jets pummel the Bills (fucking Mark Sanchez).

Har! I almost can know you did that intentionally, cuz yer a smart lil' kid. ;0)



Thanks for taking the time out to open the box and opine! Almost wish I had talked a brother, or cousin into investing in one so I could fool with it.

EDIT: Oh yes, and I did mean to comment on the great pic. "FEAR ME" shot for sure, right off the movie art.



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Sanjeev (Admin)
Oh, do NOT get it twisted: *I* make no claims of brevity or conciseness. In fact, y'all bastards are fuck-damn lucky I don't wax further poetic about my sports opinions. Or whatever the hell else I feel like!

See, I may have a rampant ego...but that's okay. The key point here is that I'm not doing videos for the whole world to watch me fondle my junk. This is just for YOU pricks...and you take what you get!

:P

(incidentally, I'm rather fond of how that photo came out)
Man, you are killing me here. I hope my Unicron gets here today!

-Ginrai
Golden Gate Riot on dead trees at: [www.destroyallcomics.com]
Great review Sanjeev. Appreciate your camparison on the 'feel' of the toy which I couldn't find in other discussions on Unicron. Mine just shipped out today, so it will be another week of waiting for me.
Dude, that picture is indeed *sick,* as the kids say.

If it weren't for the fact that I just bought a house and might need to trim the collection instead of adding on, I would totally jump on this.

Damn.

Nice job kicking me in the nuts, Sanjeev. :)
Sanjeev (Admin)
Hey, Gcrush started it!

Really tho...if he hadn't shitted on that video reviewer (he had it coming), I probably wouldn'ta posted!
Got mine today!!!

I knew it was coming soon I just didn't know when and I was hoping it wasn't when I wasn't out of town. As soon as I got the box I knew it was time to open it. The funny thing is that my 4 year old son was home and my 9 year old daughter had just gotten off the bus and I know it sounds stupid but I didn't want to open it with the kids around like if I had ordered porn or something. I decide to play dad a little more and me and my son opened it. The Box art is cool but this figure should have come in some sort of clam shell or gasp. styrofoam shell. After you remove the twenty or so twist ties (God I hate those things,)THEN the clear rubber bands that they have twisted all around the figure, with the exception of the box art you're kinda left with...a brown box worthy of Chinese take out. I never care about packaging most of the time but with this figure if you don't want him to be displayed you'll want to keep him safe.

This is the Unicron that I dreamed about when they came out with that day glow crappy Energon.Armada figure. It is amazing how "on point" this figure is. I'm glad Sanjeev mentioned that the chest gimmick didn't work very well on his because mine is the same. It works half ass at best. If anyone out there can tell me how to make the chest gimmick work better I appreciate it. To be honest I would have traded all the gimmicks for a display stand to put him in planet mode from time to time. (Mostly for a few picks where I put him in the background.) I also would have preferred two gray hands instead of the one clear lighted one but I've been surprised how that hasn't bothered me. All the joints on mine are "Am I breaking this" tight.

When you have the rings/wings folded out and the legs spreed this is probably the most commanding figure I've seen in a long time. it commands you to just keep looking at it. It even impressed my "You need to grow up" wife. I'd give it a 4.5 out of 10.

Grips and picks:

Well you know we have to have something to bitch about so here goes and I'm stretching.

1. Better way to store/protect the figure in it's box.
2. Some of the panel lines have such detail and shading why couldn't they have continued with the shading.wash with the face, middle chest, upper legs and wing/rings?
3. I wish this figure was bigger. I know this sounds crazy but even if I had to pay double i wish it was about 30" tall. Why? I hate that no Transformer has been produced that is larger than Fortress Max and if there was ever a "Going bigger than Ft. Max" it would have to be Unicron.
I meant to say 4.5 out of 5. Also doesn't Unicron look like the villian from Disney's Fantasia when you have his wings all spread out?

Also Transformers were usually created to showcase a new toy coming out. Since Unicron was never produced as a toy isn't it correct to say that we have the writers to thank for this amazing toy and not Hasbro?
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> Hey, Gcrush started it!
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> Really tho...if he hadn't shitted on that video
> reviewer (he had it coming), I probably wouldn'ta
> posted!

Haw! Well, your review was way more informative than the cooing of the video guy. And the picture was loads more awesome. The composition is fucking spot-on. I love it.

The price tag is a hard pill to swallow though. If it was around a hundred I don't think I would have batted an eye. But the extra $50 on top of that mixed with the crappiness of the packaging has made me waffle. I like Unicron for the nostalgia and camp factor, though I never bought the Armada one because of its utter garishness - it was too off-model and too over-the-top. This Unicron is much closer to my tastes. But the cut-off point of my love in the direction of camp-nostalgia is about $50 for any one item...

If I wandered into some free money in the next couple of weeks I'd probably bite. So here's another question. In light of what I've said, how likely is it I would suffer buyer's remorse and decide to flip Unicron on Evilbay if I do break down and order one?
Sanjeev (Admin)
Heh...thanks, G.

Regarding the packaging, I'd say it's par for the course. I mean, it's a fucking Transformer. What do you expect? I don't think I've ever been particularly impressed with a TF's packaging... (except for the exquisite space battle paintings on the backs of many G1 toys!)

I agree with Marvin about the panel-lining. That's some lazy shit that they didn't continued it onto his back! Doesn't bother me none, though, because I'm only going to be displaying it from the front...and while I'm playing with it, I couldn't care less. The one thing I'll probably do is add some panel-lining to the mouth. The tiny channel gets lost easily in that sea of grey sculpting. Oh, and I like your idea of panel-lining the rings, Marvin...might try that, too!

As for the missile launching mechanism, it just sorta seems like a weak spring or something. I dunno. IF I were motivated enough (and had the time), I *might* hack up a spare Armada and either swap out the whole mechanism altogether...or just disassemble it to see what the deal is. Honestly, though, it'll likely never happen--just don't care enough.

Marvin, the original Hasbro "beachball" Unicron toy was around 2 feet, right? Now, *I* would personally love one of those because it's just so silly...but would you want something like that? I tend to agree, though: it'd be nice to know that this was the biggest TF of all time...but whatever. I never had *that* much interest in Fort Max anyway. Too beaucoup, y'knowmsayin?

Fortress Robot X was better than Great Robot Base. Yeah, I said it. WHAT.

Anyway, G, will you suffer buyer's remorse eventually if you buy this? First of all, it costs as much a 4 or 5 gods damned Revoltechs...so fuck you! :P

Nah, but I think it comes down to the strength of your nostalgia versus your attitude towards modern TF toys in general. Most of us here are Japanese robot/monster toy fans first; 80's-raised USers second. As a purely Japanese robot/monster toy collector--and primarily vintage stuff--I find most modern TFs pretty bland for dozens of reasons. BUT the 80's kid in me (and, yes, I consider Transformers a US property) is nostagic for many TF characters and G1 toys. Like, I keep up with news about stuff like Power Core Combiners...but I'd never get one. Or, for example, I got the new Bludgeon (the REAL tanky-skull-faced-samurai motherfucker)...but even now--despite loving the G1 character--I'm on the fence about keeping him (the new one, NOT the G1).

See, they all sorta blend in my brain into the "toy crack" category...and most of the few modern TFs I've bought over the years have ended up in junk piles, Summit freebie bins, or given to friends' kids. They all sorta look and feel the same (and have the aforementioned shitty throw-away packaging), so something has to impress the SHIT outta me for me to keep it.

Does this sound like you?

Well, I can say this with confidence: I'm NOT selling this Unicron. Ever. Unless, of course, they decide to remold it AGAIN and somehow upgrade it. I don't really see that happening (though I could see a Fansproject or whoever making some upgrade crap for it), but ya never know. The point is, I'm 1) always going to want the "best" [relative] toy rendition of Unicron available because of my nostalgia for the character, and 2) this is *already* an objectively great toy [absolute]. Ya feel me?
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> Regarding the packaging, I'd say it's par for the
> course. I mean, it's a fucking Transformer. What
> do you expect? I don't think I've ever been
> particularly impressed with a TF's packaging...
> (except for the exquisite space battle paintings
> on the backs of many G1 toys!)

I remember having a few modern Japanese transformers that came in respectable boxes - the kind I wouldn't throw away. The Unicron box just looks like a big cardboard nothing. Not a deal breaker, but you can't really put the thing back in the box after you take it out, can you?


> Anyway, G, will you suffer buyer's remorse
> eventually if you buy this? First of all, it costs
> as much a 4 or 5 gods damned Revoltechs...so fuck
> you! :P

Haw! When you put it like that it almost turns me the other way. I begin to think about putting Rodan and the Maser tank on the shelf instead...

> [lots]
> Does this sound like you?

A simple "yes" or "no" would have worked. ^^

Seriously though, it's a trick question. I almost always have buyer's remorse at some point with a toy. And then up on the chopping block it goes. It's like... Ebay is my Unicron. In the end it swallows all...


> Well, I can say this with confidence: I'm NOT
> selling this Unicron. Ever. Unless, of course,
> they decide to remold it AGAIN and somehow upgrade
> it. I don't really see that happening (though I
> could see a Fansproject or whoever making some
> upgrade crap for it), but ya never know. The point
> is, I'm 1) always going to want the "best" toy
> rendition of Unicron available because of my
> nostalgia for the character, and 2) this is
> *already* an objectively great toy . Ya feel me?

Werd.

This reminds me of a couple of technical questions. Does Unicron have waist and neck joints? Is it top-heavy, prone to shelf-diving?

And this is one thing the video review left out - what does the back look like with the planet halves on? I can't seem to find a clear picture of that...
Sanjeev (Admin)
Huh. What modern Japanese TFs have respectable packaging? I can't really think of any...but I certainly don't know everything that's out there...

Hehe...aiight, Rodan and a Maser on your shelf would be dope...BUT there are WAYYY better Rodan toys. There's no better Unicron toy.

And besides, everytime I try to dabble in Revoltech, I immediately have buyer's remorse! Comparatively, I get buyer's remorse maybe 50% of the time with TFs...for whatever that's worth.

Man, if you get it that often, maybe you should only buy good toys. :P

Nah...just playing...but to answer your questions, yes, Unicron can pivot at the waist and neck. He's definitely top-heavy, but that's one of the things I love about this new one: basically EVERY joint from the waist down is mad tight. The Armada was stable "enough", but there was always just a little give...enough to make me a bit cautious when standing him up. This one's rock-solid--even with the feet kinda uneven, he's still perfectly stable (that photograph is of him standing on top of my tv...and I have absolutely no qualms about keeping him there).

And did you mean what the robot mode looks like from behind with the planet wings on? They're on in my pic above, but obviously, they're tough to see. I can take a better pic tonight. There's an okay pic of the Armada here, but I don't like the way he has them posed. The connection joint's actually kinda interesting--there are a number of different orientations you can pose the planet wings in. And, of course, the seibertron guy has them in pretty much the wackest way possible. Mine are posed kinda like Shin Getter 1's wings (when they're swept out to the sides).
Got my Unicron last night. This is beautiful, but the joints are super fucking tight... perhaps TOO tight? I see what Sanjeev was saying about the molds wearing out: My Armada Unicron WORKS better. The chompy jaws work better, the chest missile launcher works better... the mechanisms are just cleaner and smoother in the Armada one. Also the little pegs that hold the stomach door on are way better in the Armada one. The 2010 Unicron's stomach window basically always pops out when I try to open it.

I also had a bit of weird functioning with the eye glow. When I was first yanked out the plastic tab, the eyes kept getting set off when I wasn't even touch the head. Weird connection with the metal prongs on the bottom of the head and the contact plate on the body? I reseated it and it seems okay now, but still, weird. There seems to be like a bit of extra mold crap hanging on here and there or like sprue marks here and there, while the Armada one was very clean and I guess, made to better tolerances?

The plastic in this also seems stiffer and less flexible, which makes the wings stay up better for me than on my Armada one, where they flopped down usually. This same property made it pretty hard for me to get the ring to line up right in planet mode, which lead me to realizing that both my Armada and my 2010 Unicron came with the wings on the wrong sides! If you swap left for right and right for left when Unicron's in planet mode, you have the smooth side of the ring facing the front instead of the side full of little holes AND it pegs together at the feet and fits under the shell better at the other ring connection point. I immediately switched my Armada Unicron's wings too.

I'm betting all Unicrons are like this. You should switch yours now if you haven't already -- this is clearly how the toy was designed to be.

Though it's not quite as smooth as the Armada Unicron, this thing is fucking beautiful. My girlfriend hasn't even seen Transformers: The Movie and was cooing about how pretty the orange was and how nice the paint looked. She never glanced twice at the Armada Unicron (and would write notes for me on paper which she rolled up, and stuffed into Unicron's rings) but she was going on about how cool this one looked.

Even though the Aramda one is technically a "better" toy, the 2010 Unicron looks like what I've wanted since I was a kid, the new head is great, and I am keeping this one, not the Armada one. I think I'm keeping the Armada one's minicon so I can have TWO moons, though.

Probably just going to give the Armada Unicron to one of my friends since I'm sure the original is now worthless!

-Ginrai
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2010 05:50PM by Ginrai.
Most of the nicer modern TFs packaging are just a pretty cardboard box with cardboard and/or clear plastic tray inside, tied up with twisties. Its pretty standard. Just that the Japanese releases at least look prettier on the outside. I don't think I have come across any styrofoam trays on all the ones I bought, and I have quite a few BTs & MPs.

Here are a few links with pics, for those that are still on the fence or wonder what the packaging looks like:

[www.hk-tf.com]
[higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com]
[higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com]

I felt remorse already, but instead, its not preordering soon enough when it was still cheap a few months back. I saw it coming, but I thought I can pass on it. It already has significant markup at places that are still available, so I wouldn't take too long to make up your mind on this one, before they can jack up the price even more.
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