encore and classics stuff

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gingaio Wrote:
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> Sanjeev Wrote:
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> > > Still, I've been wanting a good toy Galvatron
> > > since I was 10...
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> > What have you been waiting for?
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> Dude, I had that...before I sold it. I guess I
> should say I've been waiting for a cartoon
> accurate one, not the old-school painted to look
> like the cartoon.

But the G1 toy's alternate mode is still more cartoon accurate.
Sanjeev (Admin)
...Not to mention the toy fucking screams at you in Japanese!

You're crazy to've sold it!

:P
Yeah, I just realized that the Classics Galvatron's alt mode is a freaking tank. Man.
B00
WOW! Now that's a Powerglide!!





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Sanjeev (Admin)
That's actually pretty hot, B00...where's that from? Still, I'm feeling the new one...even with all its new-fangled, non-A-10-ness.
B00
That's a model kit form those Jazia toy guys, the same guy who made the resin Wheelie, and Cyclones. They working on an Ironhide now.

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Sanjeev, check these out: [jizaitoys.seesaa.net]

I adore the designs, but from what I understand, they're pretty hard to get (i.e., expensive), and they're model kits, which in and of itself isn't bad. However, reviewers have said they're extremely hard to put together, require paint, and require additional parts (like ball joints, etc.) to complete.

And Sanjeev, you're smoking crack. :)

That upper and lower halves of that Classics Powerglide are so disproportionate they look like they belong to differently sized robots.
Sanjeev (Admin)
First, I love how B00 inverted the A's and I's precisely in "Jizai"! ;)

Yeah, they look pretty cool...but having assembled and painted resin-cast garage kits before, I'm straight. I'll wait for the real toy.


gingaio Wrote:
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> And Sanjeev, you're smoking crack. :)

Coming from you, that's a compliment! :P

> That upper and lower halves of that Classics
> Powerglide are so disproportionate they look like
> they belong to differently sized robots.

Yeah...I think that's what I like about it. Honestly, it reminds me of Bulkhead from TF Animated. In fact, it makes me really wonder if the same designers worked on both toys....and/or they just wanted to capitalize on younger kids digging the SD-ish proportions.

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Sanjeev

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B00
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> First, I love how B00 inverted the A's and I's
> precisely in "Jizai"! ;)
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Heh, I'm good like that! ;p

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The more I think about it, the more I think that Jizai really nailed how the Classics line should look (as Boo said w/r/t Powerglide), just straight-up reengineered versions of the classic characters--no creative licenses taken. Toys based on these would pull me back into TF collecting in a heartbeat.

I mean, I've been waiting for a faithful Cyclonus update for years (along with Galvatron): [jizaitoys.seesaa.net]

And they managed to make Wheelie(!!) look good: [jizaitoys.seesaa.net]

Yeah, they veer toward the cartoony side, but that's part of the charm, I think.

Apparently, there are Hong Kong bootlegs of these that are completely built, but I haven't been able to find any.



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B00
When did Wheelie get a flux capacitor?



All joking aside, Wheelie's model is spot on. These guys really captured the G1 feel.

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Actually...

[cgi.ebay.com]

300 bucks!
B00
Hmmm. I'm loving the chrome grill and bumper. But the paint app. really doesn't look that much better than the Hasbro ver.





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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2008 02:06PM by B00.
B00 Wrote:
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> Hmmm. I'm loving the chrome grill and bumper. But
> the paint app. really doesn't look that much
> better than the Hasbro ver.
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> [seibertron.com]
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For me, the best changes TakaraTomy made are what was taken out. The yellow on the forearms, the yellow on the crotch, the yellow on the forehead (replaced with silver), and the blue on the shoulders. These subtractions make for a much less clown-like figure.

As for the adds, the blue fists, the chrome (which you mentioned), the silver on the thighs (all the way down). Again, it's a more consistent, less patch-work sort of paint scheme, which I think will probably be best appreciated in person. (Also, the overall darker shade of blue on the Takara version stands out.)

Not a radical difference, but enough.
B00
All good points. I think it just comes down to the collector's preferences. For me, the arms look bare, The detail is still there just all the same color now. Same with the upper legs. I can't see spending the money on it. Grimlock and Mirage however, the new chrome goes a long way on them.





For what ever reason, I'm usually very fond of the first iteration of a TF. Repaints rarely win me over, unless there is a distinct change to the mold (new head, different wings, convertible top vs. Hard top, etc) or some nostalgic value to the new color. The new Henkai/Classics Astro-train, is a must buy. Pure nostalgia.

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Boo, Have you heard anything on whether the line will continue past Astrotrain/Hot Rod? Like, will TakaraTomy basically port over all of the American releases?
B00
No, I haven't heard if they will get Ramjet, 2-pac Prime & Megs, or Jetfire. I don't see any reason for them to not get made. The mini-cons might not get a complete release. And the US repaints, Skywarp, Ultra Magnus, Cliff-Jumper might not see a release. But I'm just guessing at this so you never know.

edit- It's hard to tell from the pic, but I can't find any real difference on Hot Rod.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2008 03:24PM by B00.
That sucks. This is a line that I think would actually benefit from repaints, particularly of the seekers. It would be nice if TakaraTomy released those Botcon molds.
B00
gingaio Wrote:
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> It would be nice if TakaraTomy
> released those Botcon molds.

Yeah it would! I never had a complete seekers collection (G1 or Classics), and $600 for the Not-at-Botcon-sorry-for-your-luck-set was greedy bullshit sellers.

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For the record, I was at Botcon (the "opening festivities" for the 2007 East Coast Chogokin Summit...hosted by yours truly). Trust me. Ya couldn't PAY $600 to wait in that fucking line for the exclusives.

Incidentally, I like the Jp version Prime much better (for all the reasons gingaio mentioned)...but the Grimlock just doesn't quite do it for me. If they'd made his chest part smokey/translucent like on the G1, then I'd be all over it.
B00
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> ..but the Grimlock just doesn't quite
> do it for me. If they'd made his chest part
> smokey/translucent like on the G1, then I'd be all
> over it.

I'm just glad they got rid of Grimlock's nasty ink-wash.

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Sanjeev Wrote:
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> Incidentally, I like the Jp version Prime much
> better (for all the reasons gingaio
> mentioned)...but the Grimlock just doesn't quite
> do it for me. If they'd made his chest part
> smokey/translucent like on the G1, then I'd be all
> over it.

Yeah, in T-Rex mode, the chrome/gray transition is a bit jarring, but check out the red waist in robot mode--pure love. And Mirage's chrome weapon is pure G1 (even if the weapon itself is 10 different shades of stupid).

Damn, I'm thinking about getting this line now. It's correcting all the things that bugged me about the US line (paint job, paint job, paint job).
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B00
To bad they didn't make all the Dino-bots. Thankfully the animated line will correct this.

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On Convoy it also looks like they opened up the holes in the truck mode grill...or is it the picture?
B00
Na, It's just the chrome being shiny.



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All great changes to the line that Hasbro SHOULD have put in place the first time around. However, the only one I can see being worth getting once you have all the Hasbro versions is Megatron. He's so vastly different, and clearly such a better figure without the ridiculous green and orange paint job.
B00
Ouch..

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Yikes! Go, Hasbro! Haahahahaha
B00
I hope I'm looking at this wrong, but it seems as though Spiderman's ass is to be the front end of his bike mode...

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"Abomination!"
B00
the sad part is, these make the Star Wars Transformers look good. Wait...maybe not.

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B00 Wrote:
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> I hope I'm looking at this wrong, but it seems as
> though Spiderman's ass is to be the front end of
> his bike mode...

Worse...it looks like the front wheel *plugs* into it.

Looks like a prime candidate for the "robots with cocks"-thread - except that it essentially manages to take itself in the rear...
B00
Hey Gingaio, looks like Jetfire and Ramjet are on the way for Henkai, also two yet to be named Autobots, I'm guessing Ultra Magnus, and Cliff Jumper.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2008 03:32PM by B00.
G1 Metroplex is getting a reissue. I love that they're doing all of these big ones like Sky Lynx and Omega Supreme.

My brother had a Metroplex but it broke in half (my fault). Very thin connection between the torso and crotch.

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I asked if I have "Time For L-Gaim" but I got "No Reply From The Wind".


e--hobby repaint. Remember the Guardian/Sentinel ones that vaguely looked like Omega Supreme in G1?

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I asked if I have "Time For L-Gaim" but I got "No Reply From The Wind".
Sanjeev (Admin)
Yuck...that's ass. If that's the final colors of their "Guardian/Sentinel" robot, fuck 'em. I'm with akum6n...I wanna see a Mechabot repaint.
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I was going to say that this looks like what I would imagine a bootleg Omega to look like. But then I remembered that there was a bootleg, and it was in the Mechabot colors. :P

Don't hate it, but the color choice lacks the punch of either original color scheme. Not so good for a hyper-expensive, limited repaint.

I wonder why they did not use Mechabot colors, since these were featured more recently in the Dreamwave WW comics as the Sentinel colors, assuming that comic/TV continuum is a consideration. Licensing issue perhaps? Toy Box (who produced Mechabot) was a Japanese company, and I have no idea what became of it afterward.

Money saved for the Henkei Henkei toys. I loves me some unnecessary chrome...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2008 01:41AM by akum6n.
Omega's fat brothers.





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B00
Oh shit! Sunstreaker looks nice! It's hard to tell with Prowl, he blends into the background a bit.

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The things that made the original Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen design so cool were the fat chest and stubby feet--that old 80s chunky aesthetic, just massive bits of car unapologetically popping out left and right. Looks like they streamlined the Prowl redesign quite a bit; I'm not loving it, but it's not exactly terrible either. The face, though. Uh. Looks like they went with the Marvel Comics look instead of the animation/box art design.

Sunstreaker, as you say, they got right. Nice.
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