Time to Procure a Valkyrie
Posted by MikeD
| August 26, 2009 10:48PM |
asterphage Wrote:
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> Is there really ANY excuse for this anymore?
> Especially from Bandai.
Maybe if the armor packs and super packs were late additions that showed up towards the end but all this stuff was in the first episode. And its not like they wanted to get this stuff out while the show was airing.
> EDIT: But then they designed Aquarion from the
> ground up to be a three-vehicle, three-robot-mode
> combination that would WORK as a toy, and they
> still couldn't make it stand up on its own. So
> maybe it's just that old Kawamori Curse again...
Oddly enough the form with the skinny legs stand up the best because it has long enough heels to counter balance the backpack. The problem with Aquarion is that Kawamori recycled his idea for Twinzam V of Tech Romancer where one jet forms the upper body while the other forms the lower body. Since Aquarion has three jets the third one had to become a backpack which just weighs the thing down.
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> Is there really ANY excuse for this anymore?
> Especially from Bandai.
Maybe if the armor packs and super packs were late additions that showed up towards the end but all this stuff was in the first episode. And its not like they wanted to get this stuff out while the show was airing.
> EDIT: But then they designed Aquarion from the
> ground up to be a three-vehicle, three-robot-mode
> combination that would WORK as a toy, and they
> still couldn't make it stand up on its own. So
> maybe it's just that old Kawamori Curse again...
Oddly enough the form with the skinny legs stand up the best because it has long enough heels to counter balance the backpack. The problem with Aquarion is that Kawamori recycled his idea for Twinzam V of Tech Romancer where one jet forms the upper body while the other forms the lower body. Since Aquarion has three jets the third one had to become a backpack which just weighs the thing down.
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August 27, 2009 12:32AM |
| August 27, 2009 12:01PM |
| August 27, 2009 02:08PM |
Excellent review!
After all was said and done, my initial fascination with the Bandai 1/60 line has dissipated to a pained acceptance. I would love to display this armored behemoth next to the RVF 25, but the faults you outline as well as Bandai's backpeddling Tamashi web marketing strategy turns the flavour a little sour.
But damn if that isn't a kick ass design.
Only one question though, and this is directed more at Kawamori-san than at Bandai... what's the deal with armouring up the freaking intake vents, but leaving the canopy wide open for a good pummelling in fighter mode? In my humble opinion, it would look SO much better like this...
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2009 02:30PM by RainBot.
After all was said and done, my initial fascination with the Bandai 1/60 line has dissipated to a pained acceptance. I would love to display this armored behemoth next to the RVF 25, but the faults you outline as well as Bandai's backpeddling Tamashi web marketing strategy turns the flavour a little sour.
But damn if that isn't a kick ass design.
Only one question though, and this is directed more at Kawamori-san than at Bandai... what's the deal with armouring up the freaking intake vents, but leaving the canopy wide open for a good pummelling in fighter mode? In my humble opinion, it would look SO much better like this...
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2009 02:30PM by RainBot.
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Sanjeev (Admin)
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August 27, 2009 02:59PM |
| August 27, 2009 03:11PM |
Sanjeev Wrote:
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> VF5SS Wrote:
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> > That looks terrible.
>
> Your reasons are "I don't like the way it looks
> and its not what I like!"
>
> ;)
You know you keep failing to provide any real reasons beyond not liking the VF-25 and CGI.
Edit: and if you want a reason why I think it looks terrible its because capturing the shooter game aesthetic usually involves a visible cockpit even if its small. The ships from RayForce are a good example.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2009 03:38PM by VF5SS.
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> VF5SS Wrote:
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> > That looks terrible.
>
> Your reasons are "I don't like the way it looks
> and its not what I like!"
>
> ;)
You know you keep failing to provide any real reasons beyond not liking the VF-25 and CGI.
Edit: and if you want a reason why I think it looks terrible its because capturing the shooter game aesthetic usually involves a visible cockpit even if its small. The ships from RayForce are a good example.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2009 03:38PM by VF5SS.
| August 27, 2009 03:39PM |
VF5SS Wrote:
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> > EDIT: But then they designed Aquarion from the
> > ground up to be a three-vehicle, three-robot-mode
> > combination that would WORK as a toy, and they
> > still couldn't make it stand up on its own. So
> > maybe it's just that old Kawamori Curse again...
>
> Oddly enough the form with the skinny legs stand
> up the best because it has long enough heels to
> counter balance the backpack. The problem with
> Aquarion is that Kawamori recycled his idea for
> Twinzam V of Tech Romancer where one jet forms the
> upper body while the other forms the lower body.
CRAP, you're right. Why didn't they just make a Kikaioh anime?!
-Paul Segal
"Oh, the anger is never far, never far." -SteveH
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> > EDIT: But then they designed Aquarion from the
> > ground up to be a three-vehicle, three-robot-mode
> > combination that would WORK as a toy, and they
> > still couldn't make it stand up on its own. So
> > maybe it's just that old Kawamori Curse again...
>
> Oddly enough the form with the skinny legs stand
> up the best because it has long enough heels to
> counter balance the backpack. The problem with
> Aquarion is that Kawamori recycled his idea for
> Twinzam V of Tech Romancer where one jet forms the
> upper body while the other forms the lower body.
CRAP, you're right. Why didn't they just make a Kikaioh anime?!
-Paul Segal
"Oh, the anger is never far, never far." -SteveH
| August 27, 2009 04:45PM |
| August 27, 2009 11:30PM |
| August 29, 2009 04:05AM |
| August 30, 2009 12:20AM |
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August 31, 2009 09:02PM |
| August 31, 2009 10:35PM |
Damn the metallic coated version is a VF-100. I thought it was gonna a 1/72 kit.
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| August 31, 2009 11:14PM |
| September 01, 2009 01:46AM |
VF5SS Wrote:
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> But was it really worth it?
No. No, no, no, no, no.
Which says something about how wisely I spend my money sometimes... it just looks so cool. In uber fighter mode the thing kicks serious arse. It was kinda fun putting it all together, but transforming it will take some time to do.
I agree with your review. I heeded your warning, and decided to go with "good enough". We deserve our fate.
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> But was it really worth it?
No. No, no, no, no, no.
Which says something about how wisely I spend my money sometimes... it just looks so cool. In uber fighter mode the thing kicks serious arse. It was kinda fun putting it all together, but transforming it will take some time to do.
I agree with your review. I heeded your warning, and decided to go with "good enough". We deserve our fate.
| September 01, 2009 01:56AM |
VF5SS Wrote:
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> [toyboxdx.com]
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> deculture
Jeez, I hope that's a prototype... their 3D printer's resolution is terrible!
I am glad they are proceeding with this. While I would prefer the TV version, This would be great if they sufficiently figured out a way to lock those pesky arms in place.
I wonder who will get this?
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> [toyboxdx.com]
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> deculture
Jeez, I hope that's a prototype... their 3D printer's resolution is terrible!
I am glad they are proceeding with this. While I would prefer the TV version, This would be great if they sufficiently figured out a way to lock those pesky arms in place.
I wonder who will get this?
| September 01, 2009 08:00AM |
| September 01, 2009 08:56AM |
thomas Wrote:
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> RainBot Wrote:
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> > I wonder who will get this?
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> Someone who has the money, the room, and no
> aversion of broken shoulders...
Although I believe your trepidation is warranted given the history of the subject matter, you can't make judgements on the unknown. I would have been in the same boat as you, had I not given in to VF5SS's propaganda.
Yamato really did well with their 1/60 VF 1 line. They might have learned their lesson. We'll have to wait and see.
Fortunately there is an entire website that can be effectively seen as "consumer-based field testing" that will have some reviews up the moment it is released.
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> RainBot Wrote:
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> > I wonder who will get this?
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> Someone who has the money, the room, and no
> aversion of broken shoulders...
Although I believe your trepidation is warranted given the history of the subject matter, you can't make judgements on the unknown. I would have been in the same boat as you, had I not given in to VF5SS's propaganda.
Yamato really did well with their 1/60 VF 1 line. They might have learned their lesson. We'll have to wait and see.
Fortunately there is an entire website that can be effectively seen as "consumer-based field testing" that will have some reviews up the moment it is released.
| September 01, 2009 09:05AM |
All this talk about the problems with Bandai's Frontier line is making me glad I have little or no interest in the designs. At least this way I only occasionally get Yamtoed and not also whatever the Bandai equivalent is in addition. Well until Bandai makes a 171... then all bets are off I guess.
Good tag team review VF5SS. I truly enjoy my 22 and have thus had zero problems with it. Well other than sometimes it's almost too tight :D On one hand kind of surprised Yamato didn't do anything about the heat shield since they seem to have a huge boner for "line accurate" PF but I guess they figured it didn't warrant the development cost or any compromises.
Also not sure what Josh's problem(s) are/were with the old 1/60 VF-1s. I mean they're not especially beautiful or poseable but at least none of mine have ever broken.
Good tag team review VF5SS. I truly enjoy my 22 and have thus had zero problems with it. Well other than sometimes it's almost too tight :D On one hand kind of surprised Yamato didn't do anything about the heat shield since they seem to have a huge boner for "line accurate" PF but I guess they figured it didn't warrant the development cost or any compromises.
Also not sure what Josh's problem(s) are/were with the old 1/60 VF-1s. I mean they're not especially beautiful or poseable but at least none of mine have ever broken.
| September 01, 2009 09:06AM |
RainBot Wrote:
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> VF5SS Wrote:
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> > But was it really worth it?
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> No. No, no, no, no, no.
> Which says something about how wisely I spend my
> money sometimes... it just looks so cool. In uber
> fighter mode the thing kicks serious arse.
I was talking about that special VF100 VF-25 Anavel linked to. It was convention exclusive that simply omitted the parts required to transform it out of fighter mode in lieu of a special base and metallic coating.
As for the DX Armored set, you're right it is our fate. I mean I owned the first Ozma release and they gave little indication it was going to be improve at all. Adam at CDX is convinced they're going to re-do these later with like a Soul-Spec (probably in 1/72nd scale) but I feel like this may be it for the line outside of movie repaints and the VF-27 which is still way overdue.
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> VF5SS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > But was it really worth it?
>
> No. No, no, no, no, no.
> Which says something about how wisely I spend my
> money sometimes... it just looks so cool. In uber
> fighter mode the thing kicks serious arse.
I was talking about that special VF100 VF-25 Anavel linked to. It was convention exclusive that simply omitted the parts required to transform it out of fighter mode in lieu of a special base and metallic coating.
As for the DX Armored set, you're right it is our fate. I mean I owned the first Ozma release and they gave little indication it was going to be improve at all. Adam at CDX is convinced they're going to re-do these later with like a Soul-Spec (probably in 1/72nd scale) but I feel like this may be it for the line outside of movie repaints and the VF-27 which is still way overdue.
| September 01, 2009 10:28AM |
Oh sweet Jesus on a pogo stick that VF100 VF-25 is a frickin' cool recolour.
I almost sent a link to the fellow I deal with when I came to my senses. It's not a 1/60 toy. Gotta be consistent in my own little insane world.
I am surprised the VF 27 hasn't been made. I mean, they're doing the Quarter... ah well.
How many of these 1/60 things do you own? And will you, like me, be a sucker and get the 27 if they make it?
I almost sent a link to the fellow I deal with when I came to my senses. It's not a 1/60 toy. Gotta be consistent in my own little insane world.
I am surprised the VF 27 hasn't been made. I mean, they're doing the Quarter... ah well.
How many of these 1/60 things do you own? And will you, like me, be a sucker and get the 27 if they make it?
| September 01, 2009 12:33PM |
If you're asking for total 1/60 Macross toys I own
Version 1 1/60
VF-1A Max
VF-1J Max
VF-1J Hikaru
VT-1
VE-1
Version 2 1/60
VF-1S
VF-1D
The rest
Sv-51 Nora type
VF-22S
YF-19
VF-0S
Destroid Defender
Destroid Tomahawk
Queadluun Rau
Armored VF-25S
I do plan on acquiring the new VE-1 and VT-1. I might get a VF-27 if they make as well as a brown colored VF-25 if only to get some version of the super packs.
Version 1 1/60
VF-1A Max
VF-1J Max
VF-1J Hikaru
VT-1
VE-1
Version 2 1/60
VF-1S
VF-1D
The rest
Sv-51 Nora type
VF-22S
YF-19
VF-0S
Destroid Defender
Destroid Tomahawk
Queadluun Rau
Armored VF-25S
I do plan on acquiring the new VE-1 and VT-1. I might get a VF-27 if they make as well as a brown colored VF-25 if only to get some version of the super packs.
| September 01, 2009 01:47PM |
man these flexidisplay things are pretty sweet. I should have nabbed one sooner.
| September 01, 2009 09:09PM |
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September 01, 2009 09:16PM |
These are the "flexidisplay" that MW raves about. I am pretty sure LAF toys bought the rights to them and is the sole place to get them currently. see below
[www.laftoys.com]
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| September 01, 2009 09:31PM |
| September 01, 2009 10:06PM |
| September 02, 2009 09:35AM |
Chinese scans of Macross the First in case you ever wondered what it looked like
vol 3
[www.macross.com.cn]
vol 4
[www.macross.com.cn]
This is by the show's original character designer Haruhiko Mikimoto. His art style has changed a wee bit in the past 27 years. Check out that new head on the VF-1D.
vol 3
[www.macross.com.cn]
vol 4
[www.macross.com.cn]
This is by the show's original character designer Haruhiko Mikimoto. His art style has changed a wee bit in the past 27 years. Check out that new head on the VF-1D.
| September 03, 2009 10:57AM |
| September 03, 2009 11:49AM |
| September 03, 2009 01:38PM |
I like the guy on the wing: "OK....we can stuff ONE more over here...."
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September 03, 2009 04:45PM |
| September 03, 2009 04:49PM |
Fucking 1/60 zombies....getting all in your ears and notrils...little bastards.
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